A place for animation writers to write about animation. (God, that looks redundant)
Thanks for organizing it, Steve! Great time had by all!
Well, I have to say... it was pretty cool.I have an idea for a way to give it a little twist next time...However... maybe a different bar, to mix it up. Something closer to Barham for our friends in Hollywood.Mid-to-end of June maybe? I'll keep everyone posted.In the meantime, tomorrow, when I'm not so wiped, a larger blog about this.When did it all wrap up?
Thanks Steve. As far as the location - Gordon Beirsch is across the street from where I live so it was great, but Barham area would be cool. Amazing turnout and fun.
Yeah, I think I can get my friends at Bistro 75 to give us the outdoor area for the next one.I just need this headache to go away before I start planning/scheming.::groans::CURSE YOU BOOKERS BOURBON!
Steve,Thanks for putting it all together, it was a fun cool time. Great meeting everyone. Can't wait for the next gathering. Next time... I will NOT mix scotch and beer on an empty stomach.
When did it all wrap up?A few of us ducked out a little before midnight. There were three die-hards still going strong when we left - for all we know, they might still be there...
Thanks for organizing that spontaneous little afterwork get together for everyone, Steve. I can only imagine what your real parties are like! ;-)Great seeing/meeting everyone! And to anyone in the teeming crowd I didn't manage to say hey to last night: "Hey."
So where are all the pictures? Will they be posted here?June sounds good... as much as I thoroughly enjoyed the evening (and I haven't met anyone who didn't), I don't think this would work as a monthly event - but every couple of months sounds perfect!
Oh, there's photos coming.And yeah, I dont want to do this monthly. I dont really even want it to be all that organized.I just like getting like minded people together over booze. No agenda, other than shared experiences.Sleepy now.
Did you see the latest salvo from the John K. blog? He's basically advocating violence against animation writers. Yeah, I know he would defend it as "humor," but I'm not so sure some of his man-crush fanboys see the distinction.
wow... an animation writer who obviously has no sense of humor. what a surprise.
Wow... someone slamming animation writers who hides behind anonymity. What a surprise.
Actually, I saw it too... and to be fair, I thought it was kind of weak.What is he saying? He wants to beat up writers? Have you seen writers? Most of us aren't exactly adonises (adonisi?) but then again, neither are artists.Although, in black and white, it's fairly representative of our pasty skin.Posts like that, however, make me a little sad because I can just see him, in his underwear or bathrobe, tapping away at the computer, giggling as though he's doing anything other than jerking himself off to the cheers of his on personal blogchoir.When he posts about animation history, and theory, at least that's informative and entertaining. The latest post was just an exercise in the fact that he has WAAAAY too much time on his hands or, perhaps, enough money to hire an "intern" to scan and post for him.
What is sad is a writer who is proud of the fact that he has sold the exact same script at least three times. Only changing the the location, and names of the characters. That is truly sad.
What I can't figure out is why they don't write a program to write cartoons. That oughta be easy as shit! Program in the 7 stock plots. Add in which characters you are going to use and what their catch phrases are, and then print out the scripts. You could churn out hundreds of scripts a day. The scriptwriters all place a great value on how fast they can whip the stuff out. I bet a computer could beat them! And computers don't smell as bad.
Why am I taking Bob Camp's whipping?
I get it! Kinda like they had a computer to do the awesome animation on Happy Feet, right?
No. A program that will actually write awful scripts for the executives. Without having to deal with or pay writers.
I think John K. blog has been automated for the past 6 months. -Rant at writers-Misc framegrabs from old stuff - good-Misc framgrabs from new stuff - bad -Spotlight someone half your age that you want to get in the pants of.-Repeat
You Think? Or is it that the information on his site isn't helpful to you, since you don't draw?This site on the other hand seems like the pefect place to pass on information on how to write well for animation. Instead it's just filled cry baby rants and worries about how one Cartoonist feels about writers.You seem worried that maybe someone is listening to that one cartoonist. That, or you think bringing him up is the only way to get any attention at all for your own site.Use that girl mongering giant alchol soaked head to teach young writers how to do a better job. Or is that beyond your grasp?
You misspelled "perfect", there's an "r" in it and "alcohol" has two "o's".
You can spell. Impressive. That certainly negates any truth in my post.
No, actually, spelling errors don't negate anything. Especially considering you probably work primarily with drawing. Letters and words are probably secondary in your life, so... I thank you for stopping down to this level. (tongue placed firmly in cheek, BTW)However, if you peek one post up, I've teed the debate up for ya. You got a point? State it.And if we end up going back and forth, I won't give a crap and a half that your spelling blows.Mine would blow equally if Firefox didn't have a spell check attached.
The irony won't be lost on me, but I think it's friggin' HILARIOUS that "get a drink and have a really long blog name handle" and others won't use their real names. Such strong opinions on how much writers suck, but you'll let John K. and Eddie Fitzgerald stand up and take the fallout while you sit and pout some more.C'mon, let your strong voice shine and really stand up for what you believe in!
yeah because using your real name makes such a big difference in an exchange of OPINIONS.get it? it's the OPINIONS that matter. no. you don't get it.if dismissing opinions because they come from an anonymous source is your best defense then you're obviously running pretty low on ammo.
Yet doodle google can't use his own name.Step up doodle, step up to your own rule.
Uh...We don't all hit on girls. Some of us are girls. Please make your handle more equal opportunity. Thanks! :)
I'm sure the girls would prefer your whiskey soaked head and breath to leaning their way, instead of the giant bristley thing that they presently deal with.. ;)
Hahahahahhahaha!!!!No reason to be "low on ammo" when all one receives is anonymous sh!t bombs! Why continue to hide behind the skirts of John K and Eddie F? What exactly do YOU gain by being anonymous supporters of them instead of stepping up and helping to create the changes they advocate?
Blah blah blah. Yet you're still nameless
I'm not parroting anyone else's opinions, either.
And what opinion did I parrot?If you bother to read, you'll see I did not agree with the "Writers should be able to draw" idea.I do think writers should be able to write, and not just string words together.
time and time again artist after artist posts on this board that they don't agree with the johnk school of hating writers and that they just want writers to be good at writing for the medium they work in and yet time and time again the ONLY responses they can come up with are "YOU WORSHIP JOHNK!" and "YOU'RE ANONYMOUS SO YOUR OPINION MEANS NOTHING!"i guess it's simply too much to ask that writers be good at what they do.
I agree, however I've seen some pretty shitty boards and animation during my career- many that have destroyed jokes, gags, and story... so is it too much to ask that artists be good at what they do? The assumption that artists just naturally shit-gold is tiresome.
i couldn't agree more... but that's a different blog.
The difference is Shitty board artists are easy to spot. Even an executive can spot one.(Okay... this doesn't explain Rugrats)Shitty writers move gaily forward in there careers (Having their turds polished by who? By Storyboard artists.) because execs can't tell if they're reading a piece of crap, or manna from heaven.Maybe if someone stepped up in between complaining about how ONE... Okay TWO cartoonists hates them, and inserted a little how to be a better writer, you could close the anger gap a little.I know that's asking a lot. But who better than ten year veteran of animation that has managed to parlay their talent into an executive producer gig?
Glad to.Give me a day or two to think about it, and I'll try to craft the blog to open discussion.For the sake of discourse, I won't take "managed to parlay" as an insult. :)
Is parlaying Talent an insult?
Dude, with all the fury rolling around here, anything can be an insult.But I plop the smiley down to point out that I'm not taking things seriously. Or... too seriously.
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